tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post2484248020430897921..comments2024-03-20T19:40:58.078-05:00Comments on The OF Blog: So here's to contributing to sniping about an insular genre awardLarry Nolenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-48892222844584182862012-03-24T22:28:38.935-05:002012-03-24T22:28:38.935-05:00My jaw just about dropped reading that. I haven&#...My jaw just about dropped reading that. I haven't had guest columnists ever here (and those who used to co-run this blog with me haven't been active in years), but all one has to do is just read a few blogs to see it's quite easy to contribute to another's content. The lack of awareness there is amazing.Larry Nolenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-55450073981745120012012-03-24T21:13:45.616-05:002012-03-24T21:13:45.616-05:00The latest comment on the File 770 article, from T...The latest comment on the File 770 article, from Taral Wayne, is just priceless.Aidan Moherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11680602160285884082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-11030658598905352272012-03-24T10:22:43.817-05:002012-03-24T10:22:43.817-05:00Joe: understood, and I think we're on the same...Joe: understood, and I think we're on the same page. I was just trying to illustrate the point that rule changes based on technicalities are not that hard to circumvent, should someone wish to do so, because they're, well, technicalities. But yes, as I said in my original post on Staffer's Musings, I don't mean any disrespect towards fanzines and would much rather see everyone included. I don't want to see one or more groups excluded - which can't be said for everyone. Fanzines and blogs are both forms of valid forms of fannish writing. Both deserve a place in the Hugo Awards. If that's not in the Best Fanzine category, let's find a different spot for them.Stefan (Far Beyond Reality)http://www.farbeyondreality.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-68619769608253598202012-03-24T09:00:26.781-05:002012-03-24T09:00:26.781-05:00Stefan: To be fair towards Mike Glyler, File 770 h...Stefan: To be fair towards Mike Glyler, File 770 has been around since 1978 and added the online component in 2004 while maintaining a discrete issue component. Mike doesn't need to establish his bona fides for why / how File 770 qualifies or its place in fandom.<br /><br />Just wanted to make that particular point. I'm working from a point of inclusiveness where podcasts, blogs, and the traditional fanzine all coexist as "fanzine"Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-3615876728031876332012-03-24T01:57:22.418-05:002012-03-24T01:57:22.418-05:00Sorry, forgot to add: Cheryl Morgan made some grea...Sorry, forgot to add: Cheryl Morgan made some great points in her comment on my post over at Staffer's Musings that raise questions about other categories. It all leads me to think that this is a period of transition, as the SFF landscape continues to change. What'll be really interesting: will the Hugo categories change along? And if not, what will that mean for the award?Stefan (Far Beyond Reality)http://www.farbeyondreality.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-19895091941895341852012-03-24T01:46:14.462-05:002012-03-24T01:46:14.462-05:00There are a few ways you can distinguish between f...There are a few ways you can distinguish between fanzines and blogs, but the whole "discrete issue" thing is irrelevant and, if anything, feels like a technicality specifically there to exclude blogs. Fun exercise: see how easy it would be to turn your blog into a periodical. E.g. File 770, which Larry refers to, appears to be a basic Wordpress site ("Kubrick" theme, if I am not mistaken) that once in a while collects its posts, archives them, and calls those posts a discrete issue. It would take any blogger reading this all of 10 minutes to set up a similar structure, make a PDF out of it and upload it to efanzines.com. If anyone cares enough about this to jump through those hoops in order to fulfill eligibility requirements, well, it'd be an interesting experiment. <br />And yes, I realize that fanzines are about more than delivering discrete issues and that just fulfilling the eligibility requirements doesn't guarantee making the ballot, let alone winning. Just pointing out that the discrete issue thing is not only irrelevant, it's a technicality.Stefan (Far Beyond Reality)http://www.farbeyondreality.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-56030742402514870082012-03-24T00:46:29.656-05:002012-03-24T00:46:29.656-05:00This.
Also, to touch on the "My Burning Ears...This.<br /><br />Also, to touch on the "My Burning Ears" post, it's not a "campaign" for blogs as such. I think it's a recognition by some that what is going on with nominations in the fanzine category really aren't representative of where fan writing occurs today. <br /><br />It's a recognition that except for the "discrete issue" issue, blogs are doing exactly what fanzines used to do, but are doing it in an easily accessible way. <br /><br />This has been bugging me for several years now (and my Hugo nominations have followed accordingly). I did nominate File 770 back in 2010...but only because I followed it as a blog without discrete issues. 2011 and 2012 I nominated "traditional" blogs.Joehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16094675116398769415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-42431919066769498862012-03-24T00:19:40.739-05:002012-03-24T00:19:40.739-05:00Blogs are as often (if not more so) introspective ...Blogs are as often (if not more so) introspective as they are extroverted in nature. I see no problem with you writing about this, Bryce, if you think it might draw attention to things that matter to you.<br /><br />I suspect readership of fanzines are not all that high, but those that do read them do tend to be those who nominate the most for Hugos *shrugs*Larry Nolenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-39129562289496925692012-03-24T00:16:58.991-05:002012-03-24T00:16:58.991-05:00I've been thinking about doing something like ...I've been thinking about doing something like that for a while now, but it's hard to do it and not come off sounding self-important (for me at least, I really need to work on that). But yeah, between Twitter and blogs, I hear hundreds of things each day about SFF, and I think maybe the top contributors need some recognition for that.<br /><br />I'm also interested in seeing what the readership of the typical zine is like now. I'm a very small blog, but I get 100 to 250 pageviews a day. I'd hazard that I see more viewers than a lot of old-school zines do.My Awful Reviewshttp://myawfulreviews.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-79486182269770483912012-03-24T00:13:09.150-05:002012-03-24T00:13:09.150-05:00And doubtless follow even more twitter accounts by...And doubtless follow even more twitter accounts by those who talk about SF of all stripes, right? I think someone (not me, since I have other things to do) could have a wealth of interesting articles to write about social media and fandom today and how it's impacted what sells and what doesn't.Larry Nolenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-35213058461748078422012-03-24T00:09:32.787-05:002012-03-24T00:09:32.787-05:00I am 28 years old and I have never read a 'zin...I am 28 years old and I have never read a 'zine about SFF. There's all the evidence you need of how important they are in my life. I do, however, read about 25 SFF blogs during the course of the week.My Awful Reviewshttp://myawfulreviews.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com