tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post7234403712186562304..comments2024-03-20T19:40:58.078-05:00Comments on The OF Blog: Rhymin' and Stealin': Remix CultureLarry Nolenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-7036308414620816382008-06-14T05:24:00.000-05:002008-06-14T05:24:00.000-05:00Good points, especially in regards to theatre, eve...Good points, especially in regards to theatre, even when one removes purposeful alterations like <I>The Wiz</I> (which I enjoyed seeing performed by HS students a few years ago as part of that magnet school's outreach program). But I guess in regards to writing, a collage effect would be something that I'd like to see attempted more often, just to see what results from it.Larry Nolenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-63638106426584733002008-06-13T04:26:00.000-05:002008-06-13T04:26:00.000-05:00the remix phenomenon hasn't really caught on.Well,...<I>the remix phenomenon hasn't really caught on.</I><BR/><BR/>Well, the sort of cut 'n' paste remix of the Beasties hasn't caught on. This is because it is essentially collage and that is not really a literary mode. The cover version remix, as I think you suggest, has caught on though. Don't fantasy magazines often have in their guidelines "No modern retellings of fairy stories."? Or another example: <A HREF="http://www.strangehorizons.com/2005/20050613/disappearance-f.shtml" REL="nofollow">Hal Duncan's remix of Peter Pan and Tom Brown's School Days</A>. Or Adam Roberts recent take on Swift's Gullivers Travels.<BR/><BR/>And as you also say, stylistic aping is rife. <I>The House Of Meeting</I> by Martin Amis is recent succesful example where he is deliberately channelling Nabokov to the benefit of his novel.<BR/><BR/>It would be interesting to bring theatre into this as well since every performance is a new remix of the text.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-43771016105229486262008-06-12T17:04:00.000-05:002008-06-12T17:04:00.000-05:00Yeah, literary remixing is a tricky subject, one t...Yeah, literary remixing is a tricky subject, one that I think is best served as being an experimental tool rather than something designed to earn money (or lawsuits). If one borrows/steals in such a way as to learn from that material and with subsequent extrapolation/alteration, I believe something beautiful and somewhat "original" can be achieved.<BR/><BR/>As for the Beastie Boys, I agree. I just don't see them doing a RATT/Poison "reunion" tour ;)Larry Nolenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16001420558511460998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8068873.post-82946665495412252462008-06-12T07:25:00.000-05:002008-06-12T07:25:00.000-05:00What a timely and fascinating topic. my other half...What a timely and fascinating topic. my other half and i have an ongoing discussion/sometimes argument about why the "remix" phenom, to use your term (we don't have one) doesn't seem to happen with writing, or if it should be allowed outside the internet, or to what extent it should be permissable if it is. I think we started on the discussion after Rowling/RDR books went to trial over their printed harry potter lexicon. the gray areas in copyright law/intellectual property vs. the idea that western society has had for a long time that certain ideas are "communal" create a tension between suppression and creation of new forms from the old...from literally pieces of the older creative work. and then there is the question of how much can the creative process of borrowing and changing it into one's own work transcend whatever infringement is made on the original source? because certainly some of the remix videos I've seen on the internet are examples of editing as an art form, yet not a single frame of them is "original." <BR/><BR/>for now i think it happens less with writing (unless you want to term fan fiction remixing, though it rarely re-writes the story but instead just uses the same characters/world in unique stories) simply because the written medium is harder to manipulate into something truly different. about the only way i can think of is what you've mentioned doctorow allows on his sight. <BR/><BR/>oh, and the beastie boys are still relevant because they were brilliant. they may not have been the first guys to mix it up and change vocalists just the second the ear got tired of one, but they perfected it...and most people still don't do it as well. so they'll still be relevant in another 20 years, where 99% of what you listened to in 86 growing up and what my cousins growing up now are listening to won't be. :)Elenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09285405662294874917noreply@blogger.com